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		<title>Making Mountains Out of Glaciers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, we talked about John Coleman and his sorry excuse for a climate change lesson. As a reader pointed out to me, one piece of evidence in particular has generated another climate news scandal recently. As a refresher: &#8230;according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, global glacier thickness has declined every year for [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="I've reached the end of the world" href="http://flickr.com/photos/95572727@N00/3410783929"><img class="alignright" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/3410783929_051d93bc86_m.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="173" /></a><a href="http://www.anthonyworlando.com/2010/01/22/what-isnt-the-weatherman-telling-you/" target="_blank">Yesterday</a>, we talked about John Coleman and his sorry excuse for a climate change lesson. As a reader pointed out to me, one piece of evidence in particular has generated another climate news scandal recently. As a refresher:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;<a style="color: #2970a6; text-decoration: none;" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/nsidc.org');" href="http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html" target="_blank">according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center</a>, global glacier thickness has declined every year for the past 4+ decades. The most recent academic research I’ve seen was published 2 months ago, and <a style="color: #2970a6; text-decoration: none;" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.independent.co.uk');" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/antarctic-ice-loss-vaster-faster-than-thought-study-1826054.html" target="_blank">it concluded</a> that Antarctic ice loss has been <em>vaster </em>and <em>faster</em> than the IPCC predicted. <a style="color: #2970a6; text-decoration: none;" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/www.independent.co.uk');" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/antarctic-ice-loss-vaster-faster-than-thought-study-1826054.html" target="_blank">Another paper</a> published around the same time found that, based on historical evidence, Antarctica is <em>more sensitive </em>to greenhouse gases than previously thought.</p>
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<p>When many people hear &#8220;glaciers,&#8221; they think of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayas#Glaciers_and_river_systems" target="_blank">the Himalayas</a>. One of the most startling predictions of the 2007 IPCC report was that this gorgeous region in South and East Asia will lose all its glaciers by 2035. If you trace that claim back to its original source, you find quotes in <em><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16221893.000-flooded-out.html?haasFormId=46aa9eea-8158-4b87-8d70-3994c2a1bd64&amp;haasPage=0" target="_blank">New Scientist</a></em> and Indian magazine <em><a href="http://www.downtoearth.org.in/default20100131.htm" target="_blank">Down to Earth</a></em> by Syed Hasnain, who studied the Himalayan glaciers for the <a href="http://www.cryosphericsciences.org/about.html" target="_blank">International Commission on Snow and Ice</a>. Hasnain, <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece" target="_blank">it turns out</a>, made the prediction based on &#8220;speculation,&#8221; not evidence.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about what this means: Nothing.  <span id="more-2467"></span></p>
<p>Okay, it means something, but not nearly as much as the media might lead you to believe. It was a blunder, to be sure, and it requires an apology, a correction, and <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/18/science-ipcc-melting-ice-himalayan-glaciers-2035-sea-level-rise/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+climateprogress%2FlCrX+%28Climate+Progress%29" target="_blank">a full review of all melting ice and sea level rise predictions in the report</a>. To its credit, the IPCC is not covering it up; it made an immediate public retraction.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what <em>does</em> matter, if you&#8217;re trying to form an opinion about climate change:</p>
<p><strong>1. </strong>The Himalaya prediction was not based on evidence. All three of the research conclusions I cited yesterday (above) about ice melt are based on hard evidence: glacier thickness measurements and Antarctic ice measurements. All are <em>facts</em> about what happened, not predictions about what will happen.</p>
<p><strong>2. </strong>One region does not represent global trends. To make that mistake is to fall prey to &#8220;selection bias,&#8221; which <a href="http://www.anthonyworlando.com/2010/01/21/was-saint-paul-a-distant-relative-of-president-obama/" target="_blank">we talked about a couple days ago</a>, or similarly, &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias" target="_blank">small sample bias</a>.&#8221; Statistical no-nos.</p>
<p><strong><a title="The Mountain Exhaled" href="http://flickr.com/photos/40467171@N00/3185734228"><img class="alignleft" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/3185734228_93ecd1dfc8_m.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="160" /></a>3. </strong>Courtesy of climate expert Joseph Romm, <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/18/science-ipcc-melting-ice-himalayan-glaciers-2035-sea-level-rise/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+climateprogress%2FlCrX+%28Climate+Progress%29" target="_blank">here is</a> the latest evidence-based research:</p>
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<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to Satellite data stunner:  “Our data suggest that EAST Antarctica is losing mass….  Antarctica may soon be contributing significantly more to global sea-level rise.”" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/23/satellite-data-grace-east-antarctica-ice-sheet-losing-mass/">Satellite data stunner: “Our data suggest that EAST Antarctica is losing mass…. Antarctica may soon be contributing significantly more to global sea-level rise.”</a></li>
<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to Nature:  “Dynamic thinning of Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet ocean margins is more sensitive, pervasive, enduring and important than previously realized”" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/26/nature-dynamic-thinning-of-greenland-and-antarctic-ice-sheets-glacier/"><em>Nature</em>: “Dynamic thinning of Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet ocean margins is more sensitive, pervasive, enduring and important than previously realized.”</a></li>
<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to Large Antarctic glacier thinning 4 times faster than it was 10 years ago:  “Nothing in the natural world is lost at an accelerating exponential rate like this glacier.”" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/13/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-pine-island-glacier-thinning-faster-sea-level-rise/">Large Antarctic glacier thinning 4 times faster than it was 10 years ago: “Nothing in the natural world is lost at an accelerating exponential rate like this glacier.”</a></li>
<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to De-Icer: USGS report details “recent dramatic shrinkage” in U.S. glaciers, matching global decline" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/08/de-icer-usgs-report-details-%e2%80%9crecent-dramatic-shrinkage-in-u-s-glaciers-matching-global-decline/">De-Icer: USGS report details “recent dramatic shrinkage” in U.S. glaciers, matching global decline</a></li>
<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to Where on Earth is it unusually warm?  Greenland and the Arctic Ocean, which is full of rotten ice" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/06/science-nsidc-warm-greenland-arctic-rotten-ice-multi-year-arctic-oscillation/">The Arctic Ocean is full of rotten ice</a></li>
<li><a style="color: #339966;" title="Permanent Link to World’s Glaciers Shrink for 18th Year" rel="bookmark" href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/30/world%e2%80%99s-glaciers-shrink-for-18th-year-in-alps-andes/">World’s Glaciers Shrink for 18th Year</a></li>
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<p><strong>4. </strong>Just because the prediction is wrong doesn&#8217;t mean the trend is. The Himalaya glaciers may not disappear by 2035&#8212;and thank goodness for that&#8212;but <a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL035556.shtml" target="_blank">they </a><em><a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL035556.shtml" target="_blank">are</a></em><a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL035556.shtml" target="_blank"> melting</a>, and if that trend doesn&#8217;t stop&#8230;well, they will disappear eventually.</p>
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