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		<title>Quote of the Day: Robert Fisk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 05:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Anthony W. Orlando</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reconciliations and amnesties are a postponement of justice in the hope that the victims&#8217; relatives will die off and their descendants will lose all interest in the outrages of the past. Unlikely. Who now remembers the Armenians, Hitler asked? Millions of people, is my reply. &#8211; Robert Fisk (The Independent) Related posts: Quote of the [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;">Reconciliations and amnesties are a postponement of justice in the hope that the victims&#8217; relatives will die off and their descendants will lose all interest in the outrages of the past. Unlikely. Who now remembers the Armenians, Hitler asked? Millions of people, is my reply.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-prosecuting-war-crimes-be-sure-to-read-the-small-print-2344725.html" target="_blank">&#8211; Robert Fisk (<em>The Independent</em>)</a></p>
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		<title>Quote of the Day: Robert Fisk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Anthony W. Orlando</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please note that no tribunals have called for the princes and emirs of the Gulf, or the Plucky Little King of Jordan, or the weird President Bouteflika of Algeria and his henchmen, or the much creepier President of Iran, to be put on trial. It all depends, I think, on whether criminals are our friends [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;">Please note that no tribunals have called for the princes and emirs of the Gulf, or the Plucky Little King of Jordan, or the weird President Bouteflika of Algeria and his henchmen, or the much creepier President of Iran, to be put on trial.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">It all depends, I think, on whether criminals are our friends (Stalin at the time) or our enemies (Hitler and his fellow Nazis), whether they have their future uses (the Japanese emperor) or whether we&#8217;ll get their wealth more easily if they are out of the way (Saddam and Gaddafi). The last two were or are wanted for killing &#8220;their own people&#8221; &#8212; in itself a strange expression since it suggests that killing people other than Iraqis or Libyans might not be so bad.</p>
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		<title>What to Read on the Fall of Muammar al-Gaddafi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Libya War Argument &#8212; Glenn Greenwald [Gaddafi's] demise [tells] us very little about the key questions surrounding the war: how many civilians&#8230;died and [will] die in the future? What [will] be required to stabilize [Libya]? How much more fighting [will] be unleashed? What precedents did the attack set? What regime [will] replace [Gaddafi] and [...]
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<blockquote><p>[Gaddafi's] demise [tells] us very little about the key questions surrounding the war: how many civilians&#8230;died and [will] die in the future? What [will] be required to stabilize [Libya]? How much more fighting [will] be unleashed? What precedents did the attack set? What regime [will] replace [Gaddafi] and what type of rule [will] it impose, and to whom [will] its leaders be loyal?</p>
<p>Of course the U.S. participation in [the Libya] war is still illegal. It&#8217;s illegal because it was waged for months not merely without Congressional approval, but even in the face of a Congressional vote against its authorization. That NATO succeeded in defeating the Mighty Libyan Army does not have the slightest effect on that question, just as Saddam&#8217;s capture told us nothing about the legality or wisdom of that war.</p>
<p>[The] real toll of this war (including the number of civilian deaths that have occurred and will occur) is still almost entirely unknown, and none of the arguments against the war (least of all the legal ones) are remotely resolved by [Gaddafi's fall from power].</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>No one is going to make the same mistakes we made in Iraq. And no boots are on the ground. No walled-off, sealed-in Green Zone Western zombies are trying to run the future Libya. &#8220;It&#8217;s up to the Libyans,&#8221; has become the joyful refrain of every State Department/ Foreign Office/Quai d&#8217;Orsay factotum. Nothing to do with us!</p>
<p>But, of course, the massive presence of Western diplomats, oil-mogul representatives, highly paid Western mercenaries and shady British and French servicemen &#8212; all pretending to be &#8220;advisers&#8221; rather than participants &#8212; is the Benghazi Green Zone. There may (yet) be no walls around them but they are, in effect, governing Libya through the various Libyan heroes and scallywags who have set themselves up as local political masters. We can overlook the latters&#8217; murder of their own commanding officer &#8212; for some reason, no one mentions the name of Abdul Fatah Younes any more, though he was liquidated in Benghazi only a month ago &#8212; but they can only survive by clinging to our Western umbilicals.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.juancole.com/2011/08/how-to-avoid-bushs-iraq-mistakes-in-libya.html" target="_blank">How to Avoid Bush&#8217;s Iraq Mistakes in Libya &#8212; Juan Cole</a></p>
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<li>No Western infantry or armored units should be stationed in the country.</li>
<li>As much as possible of the current bureaucracy, police and army should be retained.</li>
<li>Some Libyans are complaining about the prospect of retaining the same police as in the old regime, and want local security committees instead. A compromise would be to establish a strong civilian oversight over police,</li>
<li>Avoid being vindictive toward former Qaddafi supporters, and avoid purging all but the top officials from the body politic.</li>
<li>Avoid a rush to privatize everything.</li>
<li>Consult with Norway about how it is possible for an oil state to remain a democracy.</li>
<li>Use the Alaska dividend system to share the oil wealth with Libya’s 6.5 million people.</li>
<li>Democratization and economic growth cannot be attained through oil exports alone. &#8230;use the petroleum receipts to promote other industries and services.</li>
<li>Recognize Berber as a national language.</li>
<li>Once it gets on its feet socially and economically, Libya should go forward with bruited plans to get into solar and wind energy big time.</li>
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<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blog/162908/obamas-nato-war-oil-libya" target="_blank">Obama&#8217;s NATO War for Oil in Libya &#8212; Robert Dreyfuss</a></p>
<blockquote><p>[The] rebel leader who heads the opposition Libyan oil company, which was formed with support from the Arab Gulf kleptocrats, says that Libya’s new leaders, a combination of wealthy defectors, tribal chieftains, and Islamists, plan to favor their NATO backers when handing out access to Libya’s oil.</p>
<p>Helpfully, the <em>Times</em> points out: &#8220;Colonel Qaddafi proved to be a problematic partner for international oil companies, frequently raising fees and taxes and making other demands. A new government with close ties to NATO may be an easier partner for Western nations to deal with.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t give Robert Fisk enough praise. No other Western reporter even comes close to him in covering the Middle East. The fact that Fisk interviewed Osama bin Laden on three separate occasions should be evidence enough that his is a voice to be listened to in the wake of the mass murderer&#8217;s death. As [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Iran Esfahan _DSC7416" href="http://flickr.com/photos/7388060@N08/776066612"><img class="alignleft" src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1120/776066612_a3fce711fb_m.jpg" alt="" width="161" height="240" /></a>I don&#8217;t give Robert Fisk enough praise. No other Western reporter even comes close to him in covering the Middle East.</p>
<p>The fact that Fisk interviewed Osama bin Laden on three separate occasions should be evidence enough that his is a voice to be listened to in the wake of the mass murderer&#8217;s death. As usual, <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-was-he-betrayed-of-course-pakistan-knew-bin-ladens-hiding-place-all-along-2278028.html" target="_blank">he says what we need to hear</a>, though not necessarily what we want to*:</p>
<blockquote><p>A middle-aged nonentity, a political failure outstripped by history &#8212; by the millions of Arabs demanding freedom and democracy in the Middle East &#8212; died in Pakistan yesterday. And then the world went mad.  <span id="more-3325"></span></p>
<p>&#8220;A resounding triumph,&#8221; Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu boasted. But after 3,000 American dead on 9/11, countless more in the Middle East, up to half a million Muslims dead in Iraq and Afghanistan and 10 years trying to find Bin Laden, pray let us have no more &#8220;resounding triumphs&#8221;.</p>
<p>But the mass revolutions in the Arab world over the past four months mean that <strong>al-Qa&#8217;ida was already politically dead</strong>. Bin Laden told the world &#8212; indeed, he told me personally &#8212; that he wanted to destroy the pro-Western regimes in the Arab world, the dictatorships of the Mubaraks and the Ben Alis. He wanted to create a new Islamic Caliphate. But these past few months, millions of Arab Muslims rose up and were prepared for their own martyrdom – not for Islam but for freedom and liberty and democracy. Bin Laden didn&#8217;t get rid of the tyrants. The people did. And <strong>they didn&#8217;t want a caliph</strong>.</p>
<p><a title="(pause)" href="http://flickr.com/photos/12836528@N00/1728644102"><img class="alignright" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/1728644102_4c82738a31_m.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="162" /></a>Of course, there is one more obvious question unanswered: couldn&#8217;t they have captured Bin Laden? Didn&#8217;t the CIA or the Navy Seals or the US Special Forces or whatever American outfit killed him have the means to throw a net over the tiger? &#8220;Justice,&#8221; Barack Obama called his death. In the old days, of course, &#8220;justice&#8221; meant due process, a court, a hearing, a defence, a trial.</p>
<p>But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia&#8217;s head of intelligence. Just as Saddam &#8212; who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds &#8212; was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fisk&#8217;s newspaper, <em>The Independent</em>, has also <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-a-close-encounter-with-the-man-who-shook-the-world-2278035.html" target="_blank">published an excerpt</a> from his 2005 book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Great-War-Civilisation-Conquest-Middle/dp/1400041511" target="_blank">The Great War for Civilisation</a></em>. <a href="http://www.anthonyworlando.com/2011/05/01/what-ive-been-trying-to-say-for-four-years/" target="_blank">In the spirit of empathy</a>, I implore you to read this interview, if only to prevent future 9/11&#8242;s*:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just 10 days before, a truck bomb had torn down part of the US Air Force housing complex at al-Khobar in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, and we were speaking in the shadow of the deaths of the 19 US soldiers killed there. And Bin Laden knew what he wanted to say. &#8220;Not long ago, I gave advice to the Americans to withdraw their troops from Saudi Arabia. Now let us give some advice to the governments of Britain and France to take their troops out – because what happened in Riyadh and al-Khobar showed that the people who did this have a deep understanding in choosing their targets. They hit their main enemy, which is the Americans. They killed no secondary enemies, nor their brothers in the army or the police in Saudi Arabia&#8230; I give this advice to the government of Britain.&#8221; <strong>He said the Americans must leave Saudi Arabia, must leave the Gulf. The &#8220;evils&#8221; of the Middle East arose from America&#8217;s attempt to take over the region and from its support for Israel. Saudi Arabia had been turned into &#8220;an American colony&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p><a title="Iran Esfahan DSC_0941" href="http://flickr.com/photos/7388060@N08/575491742"><img class="alignleft" src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1101/575491742_a4fc7b670f_m.jpg" alt="" width="172" height="240" /></a>&#8220;The explosion in al-Khobar did not come as a direct reaction to the American occupation,&#8221; he said, &#8220;but <strong>as a result of American behaviour against Muslims, its support of Jews in Palestine and of the massacres of Muslims in Palestine and Lebanon &#8212; of Sabra and Chatila and Qana &#8212; and of the Sharm el-Sheikh conference.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>The Saudi royal family had promised sharia laws while at the same time <strong>allowing the United States &#8220;to Westernise Saudi Arabia and drain the economy&#8221;</strong>. He blamed the Saudi regime for spending $25bn in support of Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war and a further $60bn in support of the Western armies in the 1991 war against Iraq, <strong>&#8220;buying military equipment which is not needed or useful for the country, buying aircraft by credit&#8221; while at the same time creating unemployment, high taxes and a bankrupt economy</strong>. But for Bin Laden, the pivotal date was 1990, the year Saddam invaded Kuwait. &#8220;When the American troops entered Saudi Arabia, the land of the two Holy places, there was a strong protest from the ulema [the religious leaders] and from students of sharia law all over the country against the interference of American troops. <strong>This big mistake by the Saudi regime of inviting the American troops revealed their deception. They were giving their support to nations which were fighting against Muslims.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Bin Laden paused to see if I had listened to his careful, if frighteningly exclusive history lesson. &#8220;The Saudi people have remembered now what the ulema told them and they realise America is the main reason for their problems&#8230; <strong>the ordinary man knows that his country is the largest oil producer in the world yet at the same time he is suffering from taxes and bad services</strong>. Now the people understand the speeches of the ulemas in the mosques – that <strong>our country has become an American colony</strong>. What happened in Riyadh and al-Khobar is clear evidence of the huge anger of Saudi people against America. The Saudis now know their real enemy is America.&#8221;</p>
<p>He was alarming because he was possessed of that quality which leads men to war: total self-conviction.</p>
<p><a title="Esfahan, Iran" href="http://flickr.com/photos/22313180@N02/3057549161"><img class="alignright" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3057549161_58b7cde9ec_m.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="156" /></a>Bin Laden had asked me &#8212; a routine of every Palestinian under occupation &#8212; if Europeans did not resist occupation during the Second World War. I told him no Europeans would accept this argument over Saudi Arabia &#8212; because the Nazis killed millions of Europeans yet the Americans had never murdered a single Saudi. Such a parallel was historically and morally wrong. Bin Laden did not agree. &#8220;We as Muslims have a strong feeling that binds us together&#8230; We feel for our brothers in Palestine and Lebanon&#8230; <strong>When 60 Jews are killed inside Palestine&#8221; &#8212; he was talking about Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel &#8212; &#8220;all the world gathers within seven days to criticise this action, while the deaths of 600,000 Iraqi children did not receive the same reaction.</strong>&#8221; It was Bin Laden&#8217;s first reference to Iraq and to the United Nations sanctions that were to result, according to UN officials themselves, in the death of more than half a million children. &#8220;Killing those Iraqi children is a crusade against Islam,&#8221; Bin Laden said. &#8220;We, as Muslims, do not like the Iraqi regime but we think that the Iraqi people and their children are our brothers and we care about their future.&#8221; It was the first time I heard him use the word &#8220;crusade&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>*All the emphasis is mine. There was no bold-face in the original articles.</p>
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